Macklen Mayse is a strong believer that every woman should lift heavy things. That’s why she specializes in weight lifting and mobility for women.
Macklen was born and raised in a woodland area of Kansas City. She fell in love with fitness during graduate school while making durational performance art, video art and kinetic sculpture. She compressed her body into metal sculptures, held awkward body shapes while scaling walls, and flung herself at pillars for cold hugs. It was all quite weird and fun.
Her focus then morphed into learning and teaching about the body. Macklen started as a Yoga Teacher and eventually became a Personal Trainer. She offers both in-person personal training sessions, and customized training programs you can do in your own time.
If you want to fit into last year’s jeans, start running again, join a sports league, or simply keep up with your kids but you just don’t know how to stay consistent, email Macklen at Info@macklenmayse.com, message her on Instagram @macklenmayse, or visit her website www.macklenmayse.com.
Join Macklen for “The Strong Class” on Monday October 28, 2024. For details and registration CLICK HERE.
Episode Summary
The podcast episode features Macklen Mayse, a personal trainer and advocate for women lifting heavy weights. Macklen’s fitness journey began in graduate school through performance art, where she engaged her body in unique, kinetic ways. She transitioned from yoga to weightlifting after experiencing overuse injuries and wanting to build strength. Now, she specializes in strength training and mobility, primarily for women aged 30-70, many of whom are new to weightlifting or facing challenges like osteoporosis and menopause.
Caitlin and Macklen discuss the importance of making fitness accessible and how they help clients overcome the intimidation of gym environments. Macklen emphasizes teaching independence in the gym and guiding clients through virtual coaching, allowing them to troubleshoot and grow in confidence. They highlight the role of lifting for women’s overall health and address the societal pressure to look or act a certain way in fitness spaces, encouraging listeners to embrace the awkwardness and imperfections of learning.
What’s covered in this episode?
- How does your lived experience influence your relationship to fitness?
- How can other movement practices such as yoga, performing arts, and puppetry influence your strength training?
- What are some useful tools to overcome discomfort in an exercise setting?
- What are some strategies you can use to help navigate the progression toward higher intensity?
- Does making funny faces while strength training actually help?
- What are the benefits of weightlifting for women’s health, especially as they age?
Episode Transcript
Caitlin: Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Practice Human Podcast. I’m your host, Caitlin Casella. I had a wonderful weekend this past weekend here at my clinic hosting Ben Cormack for a course on therapeutic movement and exercise for low back pain. Ben has been a mentor of mine for a little while since I took his course last year, and has greatly influenced the way I approach my work.
for patients with persistent low back pain. And when he entered my clinic for his course, uh, came into the space for the first time, he said something that is really one of the best compliments I could possibly receive. He walked into the space and he said, Oh, this is a place where when you walk in, you say, what a great space for movement.
And I was really honored by that and excited to hear that because as a former yoga teacher turned physical therapist. Movement and having space for movement is so important to me. Having a big open space, floor space, space at the wall, equipment that you can use for resistance to move with, that’s always been really important to me.
So I was, I was really, Honored and excited to hear that Ben noticed that when he came into this space. I find that a lot of the yoga practitioners and longtime yoga practitioners, yoga teachers who come and see me for physical therapy are Comforted, I guess, when they walk into this space and it’s something that feels like a familiar environment.
Feels kind of more like a open yoga type of room, but then we also have here a heavy weights and exercise equipment and we have a squat rack and we have kettlebells and dumbbells and a cable machine and it’s fun to get all the toys out and utilize all of these tools in this space and I guess what I’m trying to say is I’m excited for all of the fall programming that we have going on here at Practice Human.
I’m also excited to bring this interview with Macklen Mayse to you today. between myself and Macklen and Julia Pline who was on a previous episode and my colleague Elizabeth Wipff who teaches True Strength Academy in this space, we are all yoga teachers turned to other kinds of movement and fitness. and rehab professionals.
And it’s fun to bring people who already have some kind of embodied movement practice into the world of strength training and cardio conditioning. And that’s really what I strive to do here in what I hope and feel is a welcoming environment for folks coming in from that background. We have a class here.
that I started as a collaboration with Elizabeth Wipff called Navigating Strength. And it’s a class that is designed for people who already have some exposure to strength training and want to go deeper in understanding the principles behind strength training, wanting to have more variety and more options for their independent, uh, strength sessions at their gym or in their home.
And Macklen is really great with working With her clients, whether it’s online virtually or in person, people working in gyms and people working at home with their home equipment, really great at helping people with choices and options and discerning. What to use and why and how to go about it based on kind of a foundational understanding of the principles we work with when we’re working with strength training and with cardiorespiratory conditioning So we’ve got some small group things going on here in this space I collaborate with elizabeth whip for this class called navigating strength and It’s a class that’s been selling out about two months before we start each cycle.
We only take six people. It’s a very small group in this class and we need another section. So I’m bringing in Macklen now to co teach with me in January, a new section of this class. We run it as an eight week series and I’m really excited to do that. So if this is something that interests you, if you are age 40 and over, and truly we have people at all decades.
From their 40s into their later 70s taking these classes in our space If you’re interested in a small group environment where you get a little bit of social peer support You want to do things in person where you can utilize our space And the equipment in our space and you just want to dive deeper into your understanding of strength training And becoming more independent and training yourself and having options for yourself navigating strength is a really good class for that.
So Uh, we’re going to open up another section Uh in the evenings during the week in January for an eight week series. If that’s something that you think might be a good fit for you, you can go to practicehuman. com slash waitlists. We have a number of little class descriptions there and some places where you can add your name to a list just to find out about the next cohort or the next cycle of these courses.
So it’s human practice. com slash waitlist. That’s plural because there’s several different courses here where you can get on the list, but you can join the waitlist for navigating strength. And we’ll be sure to tell you about that when it opens up. my co teaching opportunity with Macklin in January.
And then before we start the interview, I just want to say that Macklin is also offering some just single classes. If you want to check out what she’s doing here. in our space at Practice Human in person. She’s doing some small group classes that are capped at six participants. That’s like our magic number here in our space.
We find that that’s a really good number for people getting lots of individualized feedback. And like, it’s kind of a nice social group, and it fits really well in our space and with our equipment. Macklin’s offering what she calls a strong class and the next one that she has coming up is on October 28th It’s a Monday night at 6 p.
m And then she’s going to be offering a couple more of those in November so it’s a great way if you want to just try out a single class and get an idea of Working with Macklin and working with her here in this space for building strength Definitely check that out and you can find that in our events on the practice human website So that’s if you go to practice human.
com go to events We have a tab for in person small group training and that’s our in person classes that we host here and you’ll see Macklin strong class details listed there It’ll take you over through to her website to read all the details and to sign up. So this is such a fun interview. I always have a good time chatting with Macklin. I hope you enjoy our talk and as always if you have any questions for us here at practice human You can reach out at hello at PracticeHuman.
com and we reply to all of your emails. So let’s get on with the interview with Macklin.
On today’s episode, I’m talking with Macklin Mays. Macklin is a strong believer that every woman should lift heavy things. I totally agree. Me too. That’s why she specializes in weightlifting and mobility for women. Macklin was born and raised in the woodland area of Kansas City. She fell in love with fitness during graduate school while making durational performance art, video art, and kinetic art.
Kinetic sculpture, uh, she pressed her body into metal sculptures. She held awkward body shapes while scaling walls and flung herself at pillars for cold hugs. It was all quite weird and fun. I can totally imagine you doing all of this. Her focus then morphed into learning and teaching about the body.
Macklin started as a yoga teacher and eventually became a personal trainer. She offers in person personal training sessions and customized training programs that you can do on your own time. It’s a little hybrid of in person and online work for personal training and strength coaching. And Macklin, I’m so glad to have you here on the podcast.
Hello. Thank you for having me. I’m so happy to be
Macklen: here.
Caitlin: Yeah, and I think we did meet in the yoga setting initially. I think we met. Yeah, totally. First at a, yeah, like a yoga teacher training that I was taking and you were assisting and, and then I think we found out that we had some mutual friends.
Friends through puppetry in New York City or something like that’s right in the performing. Yeah and then I was fascinated with all the visual arts work and everything that you had done and we’re doing and and then of Course, we’re both from the Midwest you being from right? Yeah. Yeah, and I’m from Lincoln, Nebraska Yes, Kansas, Nebraska, Kansas City.
Wait, is it Missouri or Kansas? Woodland area. I claim both. Where are you
Macklen: from? Both. Well, I was born on the Missouri side, but raised on the Kansas side. Got it. Suburbs.
Caitlin: Okay. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Uh, well, thanks for chatting with me today. I’m excited to talk to you because I genuinely have lots of questions for you, right?
Like so I always make these little outlines when I interview somebody on the podcast of some questions like some buckets of Topic ideas and things we could talk about and as I was writing it I was like I actually really really want to know more about how you work with your clients Because i’m intrigued by everything you share on social media One of the things you’ve been sharing a lot lately on instagram is your own workouts with voiceovers You Of what you’re doing in your workouts and you’re kind of like peeling back the curtain for people on what it means to strength train or what it means to work out at a gym, what it means to train yourself to show people like what it could be maybe for them if they went down that path.
And, Right. And I think that’s really cool.
Macklen: Yeah. Well, I think. The goal I’m just I’m just thinking about some of the things that I’ve shared like okay My knees are creaky. They make sounds and here’s how we like try and bump up some heavy dumbbells Like here’s the process and it’s not pretty but here we go I love sharing that stuff because I want people to be Autonomous eventually right like to be able to do this thing fitness thing, workout, do heavy weights on their own eventually and like just have that skill.
Yeah. So I like sharing those little
Caitlin: bits. Well, those bits too are, I talk about this a lot with some of my clients and with other trainers. Those are things that I think people get this false notion that they have to walk into a gym and really look like they understand everything about everything and know how to do everything and like to be really smooth about loading weights on a bar when it’s not.
It’s like nobody is smooth doing that and everybody looks awkward, you know, it’s like letting things kind of be awkward and clunky and figure it out. I think like you demonstrating that for people can help people feel so much more confident just like going in and exploring and figuring, figuring it out.
So good. Yeah, right on. Let’s start. I’d love for you to share about your background. I know you have a background in yoga and teaching yoga for kids, and as far as I know you still teach yoga to kids. Yeah. And then all your stuff in performing arts and visual arts, so if you could share a little bit about that background and how that led you to this transition to personal training.
That’d be super cool. Yeah.
Macklen: Awesome. Well, I have a long history with yoga that’s been a pretty solid through line. Awesome. Awesome. For the maybe I think I started when I was 15 doing VHS tapes in my parents living room And that was a pretty consistent Part of my fitness for a long time and I kept that up as a stress relief during graduate school in Brooklyn, which is what brought me to New York City and And it was lovely until it wasn’t It became just kind Not enough in my body and I had some overuse Injuries in my shoulder and hip that I eventually went to PT for and learned.
Okay. I needed to load my body differently and Started in the gym exploring and got a personal trainer Learned how to power lift because I was like, I want to learn how to do a barbell that looks pretty cool. I saw it on social media like six years ago. I’m like, oh I think, I think I want to do that.
Uh, so found a trainer for exactly that and that kicked off the party. And here we are years later and I’m still in love with it. Awesome. Yeah, but then art, right? So, yeah, I just love all kinds of things. I love art and the creative process and movement. And I, in grad school, I found this place where I could use my body in performance art and use material in the sculpture world and mush it all together.
Oh, plus a little dose of yoga mindfulness. Cause that was definitely a part of my creative work at the time. And it just, it felt like a great place for me to explore not only about my body, but also about how to regulate myself and how to demonstrate and teach in a way through performance, and that performance kind of streams through into my current form of my career now.
It’s like I see teaching as a performance art to, learning how to speak and share and communicate and, uh, Yeah, so that’s the story in a brief little nutshell
Caitlin: cool. Yeah, I mean, I think just communicating with your face and with your body is so potent, too. That’s one of the things that is actually one of the things that I’ve seen you share on Media is how like, you know, like people ask us all the time how?
How heavy is heavy? How much weight should I be lifting? How do I know if it’s heavy enough to drive adaptation? You know, those questions that like take some time for some experience for people to figure out. But you share a little bit about faces. Yeah. And it’s getting heavy and like, right.
And I think that’s really helpful. Yeah. Yeah. And it goes against what yoga teachers or what yoga training might taught us, like keep your face
Macklen: up at
Caitlin: all times.
Macklen: Right. I’ve actually had this conversation with a couple clients within the past couple months about that. It’s like, Oh, I think I’m supposed to be quiet.
Calm and I’m supposed to relax into it. And I’m like, actually, when we’re lifting heavy and getting to that place, we actually need to be creating some intense effort in order to produce the exercise or produce the movement to move that load. And your face is going to do some weird things. And that’s a good place to be like, we are, we are okay with that over here.
Caitlin: Yeah, yeah.
Macklen: Make the face.
Caitlin: Just make the face. Just make all the faces.
Macklen: And it’s fun, too. Like, why not? Like, why not be a weirdo, you know, in your own little weight world? Like, you don’t have to grunt, but, I mean, you can. Sometimes I do. Let your face do it.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. I, I was just talking to my husband about that the other night because he’s a guitar player and I started following this kid on social media, this like little kid who plays guitar and he makes all the like guitar player faces like chews on his lips and kind of like scrunches his nose and stuff when he’s playing.
Like there’s a, there’s the very particular, there’s the particular kind of faces that guitar players make. I think there’s a similar thing going on for people who lift weights. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Similar characteristics across people who lift weights, just like there are across people who play guitar.
Macklen: I’m trying to think of how to frame it. It’s not quite like bearing down on the toilet kind of face, but it’s, it’s a little close sometimes.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. Or like a little sneer or like a nose wrinkle kind of squint maybe.
Macklen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my nose crinkles when I, yep, when I’m lifting.
Caitlin: Same. Let’s have you talk a little bit about the clients you work with.
Who are they? What, like, what is your kind of audience of clients look like? Why are they coming to you? What kind of problems are they coming to you to help them solve? Most of my clients
Macklen: right now are women in their 30s through 60s, maybe even 70s, and don’t have experience or didn’t before we started working together with weights or the gym and they’ve been hearing the positive Benefits of doing such and wanted to get some help doing that I do work with a couple of women who are fighting against osteoporosis and menopause symptoms, so that’s exciting To just kind of see the range Of, of women and what we go through and, and then I’ve, I’m working with a couple, a couple guys who are, looking to build some muscle and increase some mobility, in their bodies a little bit more.
One of them is an athlete, and a lady athlete as well. So it’s kind of across the board, but typically women typically in their forties, fifties, sixties, and new to weight training. Awesome.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. We’re seeing so much of that right now, which is so great. Super awesome. Yeah. That word is getting out there that’s like, if you haven’t already been strength training in your 20s and 30s or 40s.
Let’s get on it in your 40s, 50s, and 60s and, yeah, I love that it’s getting talked about more and just more awareness around it because it’s so important, like you said, for like, kind of navigating the changes that happen, especially for women and their bodies through menopause and with aging and, uh, with bone density and losing muscle mass and all these things that, like, crucial, crucial to overall health to really get on top of it with some strength training.
Macklen: Right.
Caitlin: It’s great.
Macklen: But there’s a barrier, right? Because it’s a new skill, so. And it can be a little, a little intimidating, like going to a gym and being like, uh, what do I do?
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. And so would you say that a lot of your work revolves around helping people become independent navigating the gym space?
You mentioned that a little bit in the beginning of our talk.
Macklen: Mm hmm. Yep. Yep. For the most part, that is. That’s the focus. Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah, I, I wonder about that a lot, and I wanted to ask you about that. Like how important is it to you that your clients have access to a gym and are training in a gym versus making things work with the equipment that they have at home?
What are your thoughts on that? That’s such a good
Macklen: question, and I’ve thought, this comes up a lot, so I’ve had thoughts on it. We all have our own circumstances, right? Like budget or schedule if you’re a busy mom with two kids. So I think whatever those factors are, it’s going to create circumstances for someone.
And I have to meet my clients where they are. So when I have clients that have a home, home gym access, like that’s what we roll with because that’s what we’ve got and we make it work. But I do tell them that ideally in the long run, like we need to have. A wide range of access to equipment so that we can make the best impact that we can like in the amount of time that you have, like, if you only have one weight and you’ve got 20 minutes, two days a week, like we can make it work, but change is going to be maybe a little bit slower than, than it would be if, if we had multiple weights at home or a gym, gym access.
But I guess my point is that it can work at home, but. I see my clients making bigger strides and quicker strides when they do make space. In their schedule and in their mind, in their mind like brain space to go to the gym because it can be hard to go there and be around strangers and like to try things out in public.
but those that do go to the gym, like they, they move a little bit faster just because you have more access. And I love, I mean, I love the gym because of all the access to different things and trying things out and experimenting. And I know because, you know, that’s our, that’s our realm. You and I know we love to do this.
We’ve done it together. Yeah. Trying out weird exercise variations on cool new equipment. Like how fun. not everybody finds that fun, but it has its major benefits, I think. So, I would vote for a gym, but I totally understand when it’s not a possibility.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah, I’m with you on that. I think it’s like if, if somebody’s gonna make it work doing anything in some way, then do something.
Right? Do something. Right. And some people build out pretty robust home gyms. Totally. Uh, so, there’s that too. Right. Right. I just feel like for myself. I find it important to get out of my own space. It actually feels better for me to get into a public space. Space not because there’s like strangers around but actually well, maybe that’s helpful too in some ways I have to say like I do things a little differently With a little more gusto when there are people around that might be seeing me doing what I’m doing So like I think well, it could be a barrier Yeah for people being around seeing you what you’re doing make you feel self conscious and like oh, I don’t know anything Like I’m gonna look weird or whatever All of all of those things, like totally valid and real.
I think also being in an atmosphere where you’re around other people also lifting heavy weights, it kind of makes you up the ante a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, 100 percent in your workout, like you’re really there for your workout to do it. I’m like, I’m going to do it. I’m going to do it.
Not that I like going so hard in a single workout, but definitely more than I would if I was picking up some weights at home. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a different quality to it, right? Right. Definitely. but also just being in a different space, especially where people are at home a lot and work from home and like to get out of their home into a different environment I think can be really refreshing.
Macklen: Yeah. That’s a reality these days. Yeah. Definitely. I know. And sometimes when I’m at the gym and I see other people doing things, I’m like, Oh, that’s a really good idea. I never thought about doing it that way.
Caitlin: Yeah. I get inspired by people at the gym all the time. Yeah. Like, seeing what they’re doing, seeing how they’re doing it, like, inspired, like, getting ideas, but also, like, look at her go.
Good for her. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Or somebody who I can tell they’re new there, and they’re figuring it out, and they, like, try something and then go, like, adjust the piece of equipment and try it again, and I’m like, yeah, good for you. Yes. You’re, like, playing around. Awesome. Get it. It’s good to see. I don’t know.
I like to be happy about that.
Macklen: Oh, yeah. I know. Like giving internal props, like sending over your vibes and, and also sometimes the external props, props. It’s like, yeah, go get it, girl. Yeah. There was this woman, Gloria, who was at a big, big box gym that I was at. Last year, her name’s Gloria and she told me she was in her 70s and she would go there religiously to the gym like three or four days a week.
She had her gloves, she had her routine, she had her favorite bench, and she would do her thing. And I’m like, Gloria, what? How do you, like, this is awesome. I’m, I’m so inspired that you’re doing this. And she, her answer, her response was, well, if I wasn’t here, I would just be wandering around on the streets outside.
I’m like, okay, yeah, get a productive lady.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. It’s our thing. That’s so cool. Yeah. So you, you do a combination then of, from what I understand, training people in gyms in person, but then also you do virtual coaching where you have people doing their own independent workouts. So you’re giving them in gyms.
Where they go to the gym, right?
Macklen: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, some DIY stuff. Mm hmm but then we have a little bit of contact like they can send me videos of their exercises if they’re confused or want to figure out a problem that came up And we problem solve that way and chit chat and talk about all the things motivation and such cool Yeah, cool.
Cool what you can, it’s cool what you can do via You Know, there, there are limitations, but I’m learning, I’m like, Oh, it’s so interesting, like what we can accomplish in a text conversation.
Caitlin: Yeah. And I like it, I’m really interested in that kind of coaching. I haven’t done much coaching that way, with the exception of like, like exercise programs that I give people for physical therapy, and sometimes there’s a little bit of back and forth, but I think it’s a cool hybrid for people to be guided and independent.
Macklen: Mm hmm. Yeah. I love, I love. Helping people become independent like right. I just yeah I’m really down for that
Caitlin: And I think that is like they have a little bit of guidance. They like to have some structure and know what they’re doing. They have a plan going in and then they can ask questions, but they’re doing it.
Macklen: Mm hmm. I
Caitlin: I think that’s so awesome. It’s a very different step for someone to take on their strength training journey and to do that versus It’s a completely led session, right? Mm hmm. Like so different.
Macklen: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they’re, they’re having to do some troubleshooting on their own and trust in themselves along the way and fail.
And that’s, that’s how we learn, right? Like, yeah, people are, clients are going to fail like when we’re in person together and I’m there with them. but maybe less so because there’s less,
Caitlin: Yeah, like maybe you like to correct them before they get stuck. And I think sometimes people need to get stuck on their own because there’s like a whole different level of learning that happens.
That’s such a valuable piece of that kind of. coaching, virtual coaching like that. People have to figure some stuff out on their own. And I also, I’m bringing up this topic and I want to talk to you about it because I think it might be valuable for some of our listeners who are interested in getting involved with strength training to know, what I think is scary is it’s like, it’s like this feeling like you go from nothing to like jumping right into like this.
Scary new thing, but it’s like no There’s like lots of steps that you take to learn it and like that’s how you learn it And it takes time to learn it and like we understand that But I feel like with strength training people almost feel like they have to already be at a certain level to even start You know what?
I mean? I don’t know. There’s like a hurdle there or something
Macklen: Sure, do you think maybe? That is because we live in such a visual world now, like we see fitness. And so we think there’s a certain way that we have to be or look or act or like. I don’t know. That’s my first thought. It’s like, hmm, is it, is it that?
Or is it just learning something? Probably just learning something. Cause
Caitlin: I think. Yeah, that’s a good question you bring up though, cause we do, we are shown a lot of images of people in fitness and gym spaces and we kind of all know what the bodies and those images look like, right?
Macklen: I mean,
Caitlin: yeah, so maybe it’s just hard for people to see themselves in it.
Or see like what that could look like for them when it could look a lot of different kinds of ways in terms of like, obviously the people who are participating in strength training, doing strength training, but also the, the ways that you train, like there’s many roads lead to Rome or whatever, but, yeah, like there’s a lot of different ways and approaches.
And I think it’s kind of about people, people learning in those early stages, what feels right for them. at that time, too, and that there’s, there’s options. There’s room to tinker and play around. Yeah. I heard you
Macklen: use that word recently, or maybe you wrote about it, but yeah, to tinker, to like, Oh, it was an email that you had.
Yeah, you said your MO, tinkering your MO, and I loved that. I was like, yeah, it’s problem solving, and that is, I just think of, I think of problem solving as the way in the process of like, of this thing becoming, Becoming a lifelong skill because there’s always going to be something that comes up more so in the beginning that we have to problem solve maybe a little bit more in the beginning, but like finding the lunge that works with your body because your big toe is having a thing, you know, for the past few weeks and it’s like, okay, cool.
And then you figure it out, the lunge works and then it feels better. And then you can do other types of lunges. Just like finding those different variations. Maybe, maybe that’s. Yeah, maybe that’s an example.
Caitlin: Right, right, like it doesn’t all have to look an exact certain way that there’s room to sort of play around
Macklen: with
Caitlin: the position, the shape, the way you load it, all those things.
I’m thinking of a moment at a continuing ed course that I took at Reload PT, which is a great facility for physical therapy and performance training. Here in New York and, we were doing this weird kind of like squatty walking thing that I had never done before where like you’d take a, you’re low in a squat and you take a step and then you tap your knee to the ground and then you step and tap your other knee to the ground and sort of walk in that way.
Mm-Hmm. And I, like, I couldn’t figure out how big of steps to take, like is it small steps? Are these big steps? And I asked, um. The PT and owner there, Ryan Chow, I was like, I was like, I was trying, I was fishing for a cue on form. I was fishing for a like, how do I, where do I, what do I, and his answer was just play.
And I was so relieved to hear that in that moment that I’m like, Oh, there’s not a way. Maybe that’s the whole point of doing this right now is I get to just figure it out. Like it was the most refreshing. Most relieving thing for me to hear in that moment when he was like, oh just play with it. Mm hmm.
Thank you. I will Great.
Macklen: I think there are certain personalities that I would love hearing that and are relieved by that. I would love hearing that too, but then I think of a past version of myself or I think of some, like, some client personalities and it’s like, I think that might create more anxiety.
Totally. yeah.
Caitlin: But it’s a
Macklen: skill that could be learned.
Caitlin: It could be. I think it’s about getting to the point where you know enough and are experienced enough you feel safe.
Macklen: So that then you
Caitlin: feel safe to like, Explore inside that container, you know, like
Macklen: mm hmm
Caitlin: like nothing’s bad gonna have bad it’s gonna happen If I try it in all different kinds of ways so I can just try it in all different kinds of ways, right?
Yeah, right. Oh totally. Absolutely. Some people and in the beginning, of course people need structure. Sure Yeah,
Macklen: yeah, they want to know the right thing to do and how to do it safely and totally that’s totally valid But then eventually the circle expands Whoa We can explore.
Caitlin: It’s fun to explore. I am like you.
Yeah. You know that I’m like you. I see the gym. Gym is like a big playground. . Yeah. A hundred percent me at the gym today. So like two hours in
Macklen: there. Yes. . I know. Like this weird machine that I’ve found.
Caitlin: love How ago
Macklen: Machine. . Caitlyn. I’ve never seen, I’ve never seen that before. And I stepped onto it. I’m like, how, how does this work?
How do we do it? How many different ways can we do it? And I tried for like five minutes trying to do as many different variations and I found some and it was great. Super fun. I mean, it’s fun. Just like a
Caitlin: lateral bicycle,
Macklen: right?
Caitlin: It was a sideways bike.
Macklen: Yeah.
Caitlin: It was a bike with sideways pedals.
Macklen: Right? It was kind of like little circles.
Thank you for describing it. Yes, yes. Kind of like skiing. Kind of like skiing, but kind of like an elliptical, but only push out to the side, or rather down to the side, yeah.
Caitlin: The video you shared of you on it, shot from the back, just looks so silly. Because you’re like swiveling and wiggling side to side.
Macklen: Right. I know. My hips are like, brr brr brr brr brr brr. Your
Caitlin: hips are like swiveling side to side. Yeah. Uh
Macklen: huh.
Caitlin: It was awesome. And I can’t believe I’ve never seen a thing like that. And, because I’ve seen a lot of things. Yeah.
Macklen: I got like five responses to that video and they were all from movement professionals and they all said, what in the world is this machine?
I’ve never seen it before. Is that a model phone? I don’t
Caitlin: know,
Macklen: but
Caitlin: It exists. It is a unicorn of gym equipment. Yeah. So, yeah. Playground. Fun. Fun. Yes. Another thing I wanted to talk to you about, because I, this is like a question that’s on my mind a lot lately in terms of people. Lifting in gyms showing up at the gym to do their workouts in a gym as opposed to doing it at home My feeling and I’d like to hear your thoughts is when I Especially women in middle age and older feel intimidated by going to the gym for lots of reasons they might not go to the gym.
And my attitude is we need to be in the gym so that we can show up there and take up space and be seen by other people who want to see people like themselves in the gym. I think it’s really important. I get that there’s a lot of time and financial considerations and all of those things that’s very real.
And I think with people, with the means to do so, to get in the gym, do your thing, show up there, be present, is really important. Just to represent people who look like you being in a gym. Yeah. What do you
Macklen: think? Yeah, well, I think there’s, one of the things that I love is that there are so many different bodies and different ways of moving in the world.
And I’m constantly amazed. I’m like, Oh my gosh, look at that person doing that thing. Look at them. They are no two alike. And it’s like, let’s celebrate that. And it’s okay. And it’s great. And it’s expected. So, so yeah, I’m, I’m with you on that. I think. The more variety that we can have in the gym, the better, and for whatever reason, you know, there’s, there’s a particular type, that’s there now, and it’s changing, it’s changing, I’m seeing more women in the gym.
Yeah, I’ve had some conversations with people in the generation that you’re speaking of, and, and I think, I think it just might be because, I don’t know, I’m thinking back to like, the Jane Fonda days. That was, that was a place that, you know, women were more visible in versus the Schwarzeneggers. The bodybuilding.
Right.
Caitlin: Well like fitness and gym, like gym spaces and fitness and working out in gyms is actually still kind of new, right? Like, it really is, like, it’s not like all that long ago when it was like, yeah, there was like. In the 80s, there was aerobics and then there was bodybuilders. And so there were gyms where people went to lift weights because they were bodybuilders or working in, you know, to build muscle in a body building, lifting kind of style.
And then there are people who are doing step aerobics. kind of classes and I don’t know, like the, uh, Denise Austin. Did you have her name? Yes, ma’am. Yes, ma’am. I did. Like that, right? Yeah.
Macklen: Pilates. So much. Did it. On the carpet. Mm hmm.
Caitlin: Yeah. I mean, just, uh, what a gym is has evolved a lot over the past few decades.
Mm
Macklen: hmm. Yeah, interesting. I’ve never thought about it. It makes sense.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah, and some people criticize that you know like like Oh, well, our human bodies are meant to do Natural human things and we just go into a gym and do it with machines, but like it gets the job done Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, you know, like yeah Well, you’re somebody who spends a lot of time hiking and in nature and a lot of time in the gym I think that’s really interesting you get both
Macklen: Yeah.
Oh, I love both. And, I mean, I’ve never done anything like a gyrotonic kind of machine, but I feel like it has some different planes of movement that are not the gym machine. yeah, it gets the job done. That’s what we need. And that’s what most people need, right? They just need, like, they need some basic weight training in the main directions of movement.
And. And then get out and do the rest of your life. Like the gym doesn’t have to be your personality, but let it be a part of your regular routine. And you might make some friends, you know, and that’s cool. I think that’s what’s cool about it, like what your space is offering, which is some of the community based stuff, like the classes and you have these workshops and people come together.
Like, I love that about you, about the practice of human space. and I think the gym, like different types of gyms, can offer that. It’s harder in a big box gym, but there are, like you said, the space is changing and there are a bunch of boutique gyms. And yeah, it’s probably a higher price point, but you can kind of get together with people that have your similar Interests.
Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah, I’ve always loved exercise as a social activity, but I’ve never really been into playing team sports, so I’ve had to find my own ways to be social with people with exercise. Interesting. Yeah. And I do that. You’ve done a lot of classes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I like group kettlebell training, like the, you know, the trainers that I’ve, I’ve studied with.
Yeah, like at Five Points Academy in Soho, and then I took a lot of classes at the fitting room here in New York. Like, like kettlebell strength classes that are not enormous groups and a little on the heavier side. Not like really high, high reps, but like Yeah. Skills, training, and lower reps, heavier weight, those kinds of group classes I love.
Yeah. And I’ve done a lot of that. And I like the kind of party atmosphere that can be created like a group of people together lifting weights. Yeah. Or it feels like that for me. Like, I like that. I’m just thinking
Macklen: about like, The gym and what, what the barriers are for people to get there.
I think it’s a lot of nerves and self consciousness and like, not sure what to do, you know. What’s the plan? What do I do when I get there?
Caitlin: Yeah, I think especially for the people who don’t naturally love the gym, like we do. Or don’t naturally love exercise. Or don’t naturally love exercise. Yeah, I, I, See a lot like on social media and stuff, super smart people that I follow, Brian Neveson is one of them talks about how like, you know, some people just don’t like it.
And then like, like, you don’t even really necessarily need to feel motivated. You just have to do it. Even if you don’t feel motivated, and you don’t love it, like if you have a plan, you can go and just be like checking the boxes. Okay. I did it in and out. And then I’m going to go two days from now. I’m going to go do it again.
Like if you have a plan, it’s so much easier to build a habit where you don’t have to, you don’t really have to love it or feel that motivated. But then why would somebody do it? People do it. I mean, like I know people, my husband is an example of somebody. He goes to the gym three days a week and lifts weights.
He says he kind of hated every minute of it. He doesn’t like being there. He doesn’t like doing it. He likes it a little bit. He likes the way he feels during. He really likes the way he feels after. He likes the way his body feels. Those are when he’s lifting weights. So he does it for that positive feels good like after but he does not want to be there doing it Yeah
Macklen: But he also he’s also married to a movement professional
Caitlin: Yeah, and so we have very different attitudes on like What is an appropriate amount of money to pay for a gym membership.
So like sure, he supports me in my willingness to pay a lot of money for my gym membership because I love spending time in the gym and it’s like one of The most important things in my life. Yeah, I have a nice gym to go to and he will Yeah. I would never pay a premium price for the gym because he’s like, no, I, it’s a means to an end.
I’m in and out. I hate that place. I don’t want to be there. And I’m like, well, maybe if you joined a nicer gym. He’s like, no, it’s not worth it to me to spend money on a nicer gym. Yeah. He values other things. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s also a good thing. It’s a good thing. We have like a big, pretty wide array these days of pricing options for gyms too.
True, which is great. Some very inexpensive gems, which is really important for, you know, for accessibility. So yeah. There’s a lot of options.
Macklen: It makes me think of this TED talk that I heard recently about present self and future self and how it’s sometimes really hard for us to make decisions that will benefit our future self because we don’t, we think of our future self as, you know, we don’t know A, a person that we don’t really know, but we’re kind of familiar with.
And so it’s hard to really commit to that future, future image of self because we do change. We become very different people. Yeah. But I’ve been thinking about that, like, okay, how can we make change now for our future self? And part of that is fitness, right? Because we need it. We need it for bone health, mental health, and muscle mass, and all that.
yeah. Future self. Yeah. Present self.
Caitlin: I like that. Yeah. And maybe that will help people’s outlook. Like, I’m not training for me right now, I’m training for me 20 years from now. Mm hmm. I think that’s motivating. Or it doesn’t have to be motivating for you to do it, but it’ll make people do it,
Macklen: right?
Yeah. Well, it’s helpful to see, you know, we can either be motivated by positive things in our life, like, like your husband, who has good feelings after the workout and during the workout. It’s like, oh, okay, that’s a positive feedback loop. Or sometimes we’re motivated by A little bit more negative things like, Oh, somebody just, you know, fell and broke their hip.
I do not want that for myself. Like I’m going to go and lift some heavy shit. So yeah, multiple different ways to
Caitlin: Go at it. Totally. So Macklin, one of the things I wanted to talk to you about is from what I’ve seen of your coaching, you have a real gift for getting people to be more comfortable with higher intensity.
Or heavier strength training. And that can be really hard, like when, as a coach, like when we know somebody’s ready to progress but maybe they don’t believe that they are, and they’re like tentative, I feel like you are good at instilling confidence in people to like to go for it. And I’d love to hear some of the strategies that you use or some of the ways that you talk to people or work with people to kind of build them up to higher intensity or trust that they can do it.
What you know they can do, right?
Macklen: Yeah, yeah. Such a good topic. Well, I’m thinking of one client that we were working together for a few weeks and she was showing me, you know, demonstrating that she could handle more because of her confidence with the equipment and, you know, how many reps she could do and I could see her experiencing things that were easy and then experiencing things that were hard.
And I was like, okay, she’s ready. I have to like to loop in something for her so that she can, for herself, kind of trust herself. And so I love talking with clients about things that go on outside of their fitness and gym life. and just because, you know, I love people and part of this business is people.
So she was telling me something about what she was doing at work the other day. And I was like, well, it was something physical. She was like, You know, I, I grabbed up and reached up for that chair and lifted it from above and pulled it down. I’m like, Oh, well, you know, if you can do that, then you can do this, right?
Like you can press this overhead. So kind of linking those two things together for her. And I find that that’s just a helpful way to be like, these things overlap and you do stuff in your daily life that you can definitely do in the gym. it just. Is a little bit scary in the gym because it’s a kettlebell and it looks intimidating or it’s a barbell, but you can actually do that shit.
And I’m here with you and we’re going to do it together. So like, are you willing to try, like, are you up for it? That’s something that I’ve heard you say to your clients. And like, are you up for it? Yes. Great. Let’s do it. Right. Cause I’m not going to, I don’t necessarily. Tell you directive like we’re doing this, you know, get on it Yeah, yeah army like no, it’s like we’re collaborating together
Caitlin: Yeah, one of the things I’ve heard you say when you’ve been training your clients here in this space is like when you first start somebody out on a new exercise, they’re just learning the form and you give them something light to move with.
Macklen: I’ve
Caitlin: heard you say multiple times, like, I know you can handle a lot heavier weight than this, but we’re just going to start with this. Start with this because you’re just learning it. It’s like you’re setting people up from the beginning to understand that like, this is just your learning weight, and then it’s like, okay, you’ve got it now, I’ll hand you this way, right?
Like, I’ve heard you say that. I was like, oh, that’s so good.
Macklen: Awesome. Like from the
Caitlin: beginning, right? I don’t know if you know what you ‘re saying. I didn’t know that I said, take this on or whatever, but
Macklen: yeah. No, I actually didn’t know. That’s great. Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah. And like I think so I think setting up expectations from the beginning a little bit like that can be helpful to like this is light just so you can feel a little something while you learn the movement.
Okay, that part’s done. Here’s a wait.
Macklen: Yeah, well I don’t want to scare them away from the get go, right? I know, right? But then they eventually get it. Yeah, right. They pick up, they’re like, oh. Because I’ll ask a question, like, How many more do you think you could have done? You know. And they’ll tell me how many more they think and we’ll either add more weight or not.
And sometimes they’re like, uh, hmm, let me think about what answer I want to give you because you might tell me to go heavier and I don’t know if I’m ready.
Caitlin: Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And that’s totally important too. Right? If they’re not ready, they’re not ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like . But I like the playfulness of
Macklen: that.
This makes me think about why we would go work with somebody to help us with strength training and such. And a little, like, a little bit of it is to be pushed. You know, we go there to get a little bit of a nudge. It’s fun. It’s fun to be like, oh, where, where exactly is my limit? Where is that?
Hmm. Let’s go look. Let’s go search. Yeah.
Caitlin: It’s a fun,
Macklen: fun navigation.
Caitlin: Yeah, and sometimes we just, with anything, I mean strength training or other things, like sometimes we just need an outside perspective. We need somebody else to see us to say like, uh, wait a minute, you’re selling yourself short here. Right.
Like you could, you could do a little more than you think, or you’re, you’re capable of way beyond what you might think. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s why, yep,
Macklen: get mentors. Yeah. In all kinds of realms. I’m thankful for that. A lot. Yeah. Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah. Oh, well, I mean, I just thought of a different thing, but, yeah, with high intensity, it, it’s, it’s something that we had talked about a little bit earlier.
Yeah. When we’re talking about faces and and people who are coming from maybe a yoga background or more kind of embodied somatic meditation kind of practices like Have this feeling like you should you should keep your face soft and relaxed at all times I think also people who come from those kind of practices Have a hard time on a just on a nervous system level Getting, getting to higher intensity because it’s so unfamiliar.
Macklen: Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be
Caitlin: aggressive.
Macklen: Exactly. Yeah? Like you have to like be
Caitlin: more aggressive if you’re going to lift heavier weight.
Macklen: 100%. Yeah. Yeah. And that aggressive, and also like, I feel like assertiveness is, you I think it can be tricky or challenging for people that are not so assertive in their personality to be aggressive.
Yeah.
Caitlin: And maybe there are other words besides aggressive that could work for people that don’t really identify with that or feel comfortable being like, yeah, I’m going to get aggressive to find higher intensity. Maybe it’s like feeling a little more, pumped up or, you know, like, I don’t know other words like maybe other people could identify with to, to, yeah, it’s a different quality, like a different attitude, it’s different energetic quality, a different attitude to like pick up really heavy
Macklen: weight.
I think that comes back to learning the fundamentals. form of the different movements with the weights, because once you can get that down, then you can start to push. And, and maybe that’s another word or another way to frame it. It’s like pushing, right? Rather than pulling back and being a bit more gentle, just like finding that, that push forward.
Caitlin: Yeah. Well, I think especially if people are going to start training power. Mm hmm. Um. Which we all need. Which, as we know, yes, with age, we need. Because, yeah, and then I was like, I’m sitting here, I’m like questioning that. I’m like, do people actually have to get kind of amped up and aggressive and maybe, you can calmly lift heavy weight.
But if you’re going to move moderate to heavier loads fast,
Macklen: I’m
Caitlin: like, eh, you got to like, Really take it up a notch in terms of like. The energy of that. Now I’m thinking
Macklen: about like a calm dance with weights. Like who’s that guy? Maybe his name is John or Yuan or something, but he’s like this very, he does these videos on Instagram where he just, and these pistol squats and like all these different moves where he’s just, you know him, I know you do.
Yes. He’s like, he’s like ribbons. I don’t know. He just moves. So fluidly, but he’s also super strong, so I know there can be
Caitlin: I mean, yeah, like a mobility guy. I think I came to know who he is and follow him through the FRC community. I don’t know if he’s actually an FRC like, yeah, I don’t think so, but really, I think he might come from a dance background or I just looked him up.
His name is John Yen.
Macklen: Yeah. So I was thinking of him as like, Strong and assertive, like, in his movements, but also, like, can be very fluid and dance-y. Yeah. So it doesn’t have to be grr and, like, smelling salts.
Caitlin: Grr and smelling salts. Right. Yeah. It can be elegant.
Macklen: Mmm. Maybe. Nice word.
Caitlin: Maybe. Yeah, okay. Yeah, maybe.
Powerful elegance. I mean, I think like, uh, just a wide leg, double kettlebell heavy deadlift can look elegant.
Macklen: The aesthetic breakdown of the kettlebell
Caitlin: deadlift. I mean, yeah. I don’t know. And maybe not grrr and smelling salts.
Macklen: Oh, so many ways to approach it. But yes, we need the power. We need some assertiveness.
We need some aggressiveness. We need a little bit of pushing the boundaries a little, yeah, yeah. Which can be
Caitlin: fun. It’s like, Ooh, yeah. Look what you just did. Totally. People, beginners, especially can experience themselves in a whole new way. And that’s really cool.
Macklen: It can be scary, though, to have that little heart pump be like woof, little bit of heartbeat increase.
Caitlin: What does that mean? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you’ve been running now, too. So, like, have you felt, when you started running, did you feel a huge change in your strength training in terms of, like, just your capacity from having a little more cardio capacity? Did you notice a change? Yes.
Macklen: Yes. When I’m lifting, I feel like I can do more, but then I also had to modulate a little bit.
I was like, ooh, my legs are tired, from that run. Right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I, yeah. But, but definitely, like,
Caitlin: Yes.
Macklen: Respir you know, cardio wise, yeah, it was like, ooh, okay, I feel a bit more capable. Yeah. I feel like I have more capacity. Yeah. And that’s exciting. I definitely felt that.
Caitlin: And I felt my legs were tired all the time when I, when I was training for Half Marathon and I tried to do any amount of
Macklen: weightlifting.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah.
Macklen: Yeah.
Caitlin: It’s a calculation. It’s like a bank account, different bank accounts. Yeah. Right. I wanted to finish, Macklin, with just a little bit about, which you’ve already mentioned some things, because I feel like that’s just you. You talk about all the facets of your interests all the time, which is so cool.
but I always end these interviews by asking what you’re into besides the gym and lifting weights and your coaching work and your, you know, the things we do professionally that I, I feel like we. Spend a lot of time. It’s kind of hard to separate, right? Kind of like our work and our personal time because we love this stuff so much.
But I always like to ask people, like, what other things do you do that has nothing to do with this stuff?
Macklen: If there’s,
Caitlin: If anything, I really don’t know. Oh, there’s definitely like, like, like dovetails in some way. I don’t know.
Macklen: Let’s see, top of mind are hiking and trail running, which I love to do with my partner and get me outside.
We get to race and feel like, you know, it’s just the two of us racing against each other. It’s super fun. so that, and exploring the trails outside of the city and, and then I also love staying outside. connected with my art colleagues and going to their puppet shows, going to their painting openings, their solo show openings, and seeing their theater performances.
Like, I love that. That just gives me such a bright sense of joy. And it’s the people that I love in that world, like they all have some connection to the body and like just how we move. So I love that part. That’s cool. And by the way, it’s not like puppet shows for children, even though I’m into those, but like adult puppet shows, like dramatic performances.
There’s this whole world of puppetry that I love.
Caitlin: Yeah. Well, I think that some of our mutual connections come from, One of my good friends from growing up in Nebraska who I’ve been friends with since like, I think junior high? Junior high. I was trying to think if it was before junior high. No, we definitely were in junior high together.
And then we both moved out to New York around the same time. And he became a puppeteer. He was like, in high school he was like, I’m gonna go to school and study theater and art and I’m gonna I’m gonna, he went to Sarah Lawrence College, which is one of those schools where you kind of like choose your own major, and he was like, I’m gonna major in puppetry because I said that that’s my major, and he drew that there, and he has worked as a puppeteer the whole time.
That’s awesome. He pre graduated college in like 2003. He’s stayed in New York more than 20 years. He’s been here and been working in puppetry, designing and building. Puppets and it’s so awesome. It is. It’s so fun. The stuff he does is so cool.
Macklen: Yeah, I love the puppets. I love going into the world. I just like going into little worlds.
Yeah. Let me think. There’s also, Love riding my bicycle, but that’s fitness y, but I just love riding my bike. I feel like It’s a great way to see the city, especially now with all the, all the new bike lanes. And I love cooking in my kitchen. I haven’t done a lot lately. I’ve been more focused on business development and staying focused with my clients, but I love baking, and my mom and I love to cook together when we get together in KC.
yeah. Actually, she’s coming in a week, so maybe we’ll, maybe we’ll do some cooking when she gets here. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I love the kitchen. I
Caitlin: do, too. Yeah.
Macklen: Oh! Oh, that, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. Well, I was just thinking that one of my favorite hobbies is to eat delicious food. Like, yeah, I love cooking, but also, I love, I love food, and this is a great city to be in.
Be in for food, and part of my background is in, uh, the restaurant industry and service there. Yeah. Same for me. So I love, yeah, right. It’s a common one. I love going to visit my friends and supporting them, their businesses and their ventures out there in the culinary and service world. yeah.
Y man. Well, you’ve talked a
Caitlin: A lot about food because you, I know you moved now to Brooklyn, but you still live in Corona.
Macklen: Yeah, right,
Caitlin: and my mother in law lives in East Elmhurst, which is near Jackson Heights So like we go we go through the Jack Roosevelt Avenue Jackson Heights station all the time and like yeah that spot like in the world Fire like one of the best most diverse food places in In the world, like Jackson Heights and Queens.
Yeah. Amazing. Like so good. And we walk through Corona a lot too, because if we decide we’re going to take kind of a longish walk and get the seven train over there, we walk like, I think it’s like a 90th street stop or something in Corona and all the like street food that we walk past and. Buy and bring home or like nibble on while we walk along the streets in Corona.
So empanadas are so good, like tamales and bananas and then, yeah. And then there’s all the Indian food right in Jackson Heights and like noodles, food room, everywhere, like Colombian, Ecuadorian food. And there’s even Uruguay in places like my husband’s family’s from Uruguay and. Right. Like, where do you find, like, a Uruguayan restaurant?
Like, in Jackson Heights. In Corona. Yes, it’s there.
Macklen: It’s so good. It’s the best hub. And some really solid grocery stores that have very specific ingredients, too.
Caitlin: Yeah, yeah, that’s true. so much good food. Now. I’m hungry. I know the same interview. It’s like right before dinner. Right now I’m ready for dinner. Well, this is so fun Macklin with you. Let’s talk a little bit about how people can reach you if they want to train with you. They want to know a little bit more about the work that you do.
Macklen: Yeah, for sure. Thanks so much for having me on today. It’s been super fun. They can find me on Instagram, a website. I train with clients in person and virtually. That’s through an app. and those are the main Main
Caitlin: ways of working. Yeah Macklin maze at Instagram Your website is back the maze that is calm the same.
Yep. Thank you. You could email her at Macklin maze calmly. Everything will be linked in the show notes for you all. So yeah, or maybe you’ll find Macklin here because Just offline before we started recording. We’re thinking maybe, I don’t know. Yes. He’ll teach a little group, something small group. So practice human.
We do group classes that are just capped at like six people for our little space. So I like small group training. So yeah, Macklin, I would love to have you, if you want to come here and get a little group together for a weightlifting party, in person, that would be so, so great. Definitely. Yeah, I
Macklen: I love that.
Let’s do it. I’ll find the peeps. We’ll get the peeps together, and we will have a wait party. Sounds good. All right. Thanks. Cool. Thanks so much, Caitlin.
Caitlin: Thank you all so much for listening to my interview with Macklin. I hope you enjoyed it. Again, if you’re interested in our small group classes here at Practice Human, you can find all of them at practicehuman. com slash events. If you’re looking for Macklin’s Strong Class offering, uh, you can, it’s linked through our website, into her website.
So you can certainly find it there. And then also be sure to get on our wait list for Navigating Strength if you’re interested in the CoTeach series that I’ll be teaching here with Macklin. We basically alternate weeks that we’re teaching. I’ll be teaching that with her starting in January for an 8 week series.
And that is progressive, we build on the material. Week by week. So practice human. com slash wait, listen. plural. There’s a button for navigating strength and you can get on the waitlist. We’ll be sure to let you know when the next cohort is coming up and all the details. So if you’re interested, you will not miss it.
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