Giulia Pline’s journey has evolved from a career as a professional dancer to becoming an educator of movement and now a Doctoral student in Physical Therapy. Her experiences, including several injuries, inspired her to pursue extensive studies in anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, and biomechanics. The years she spent healing and recovering from these injuries have equipped her with invaluable tools and a unique skill set that shape her approach to treating and caring for others on their own physical rehab journeys.
Giulia’s mission is to offer empathetic, intelligent, thoughtful, and thorough movement education and treatment through a science-backed, integrative, and multidisciplinary approach. Her work focuses on helping students and clients understand the body in an anatomically holistic manner, fostering discernment, discovery, learning, and healing.
Find out more about Giulia’s work at www.giuliapline.com, watch her on youtube @giuliaplinemovement, and follow her on instagram @giuliapline.
Episode Summary
In this episode, Caitlin and Giulia discuss their experiences obtaining a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree and the various settings in which physical therapists work. They also delve into the different types of physical therapy (PT) settings, such as inpatient, outpatient, neuro rehab, and home care. Giulia recounts her personal experience with PT after a severe ski accident, highlighting the importance of personalized and attentive care, which she found more effective in private PT sessions compared to hospital outpatient care. She emphasizes the value of manual therapy combined with movement therapy, noting the psychological and physical benefits, and how it informs her current work as a movement coach. Giulia shares her father’s recovery journey after a traumatic brain injury, illustrating the crucial role of PT in regaining independence and improving quality of life. They conclude by acknowledging the complexity and adaptability of the PT field, emphasizing its broad scope beyond just movement and exercise.
What’s covered in this episode?
- How are different movement practices gateways to becoming a Physical Therapist?
- How do past experiences with Physical Therapy and movement inform how you approach studying to become a DPT?
- How does personalized physical therapy aid in rehabilitation?
Episode Transcript
Caitlin: Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Practice Human Podcast. I’m your host, Caitlin Cassella. I used to have a canned intro for this podcast set to music for a little while and then I got tired of listening to it and I wanted to change a little bit the wording there and I decided to just ditch it and start these episodes by saying hi and sharing a little bit about what’s going on with me, what’s going on with the interview that I’m bringing to you today, and I don’t know, just connect a little bit.
So I hope you’re doing well. I hope you’re having a good summer and I’m excited to share with you this interview today with Giulia Pline because a lot of people over the years have asked me questions about my path to pursuing a degree in physical therapy after being a yoga teacher for about 14 years.
I’ve answered a lot of questions in my DMs on Instagram. I sat down and had coffee with a number of yoga teachers who are considering venturing down this path toward PT school. It’s something that I struggled with for several years. Uh, whether or not I wanted to take the leap and I’m really glad I did and, uh, and I hope you’ll, you’ll enjoy hearing Giulia and I both share a little bit about our consideration of going down this path and then the process and the inspirations and life events that spurred us to finally do it.
So if you’re a movement teacher, a yoga or Pilates teacher, personal trainer, a strength and conditioning coach, someone who for whatever reason is thinking it might be time to make a transition. Or if you’re struggling with a bit of an identity crisis as I did as a yoga teacher, who at one point was no longer calling myself a yoga teacher, hopefully you can get a little bit of inspiration and insight from our talk.
I just also want to let you know here at the start of this episode that, uh, I’m here to support you. If you have any questions, I love chatting with people who are considering pursuing a doctorate of physical therapy degree. You can always reach out to me at hello@practicehuman.com. Juniper and I answer all of your emails. So I’d love to connect. And before we get into my interview with Giulia, I wanted to let you know about the continuing education opportunity coming up here at Practice Human. Since I think Many of you probably listening are teachers, coaches, and clinicians. Ben Cormack will be here in September, the weekend of September 28th through 29th, teaching his course, therapeutic movement and exercise, back pain and beyond.
I took Ben’s course last year, and it has greatly influenced my clinical practice and the way that I bring a person centered or patient centered approach, a big picture approach to treating persistent low back pain. Ben’s work is phenomenal and really relevant for me because it is all based on active strategies.
with exercise and with movement. His course is a little bit of lecture. It is quite a bit of group discussion and case studies. And if you all know me, you all know that I love a bit of movement exploration in a continuing education course. And Ben includes that in his course as well. Uh, if you’re not a clinician, if you’re not a physical therapist, you’re welcome to attend this course.
I think you’ll get a lot out of it. You’ll get a lot out of, uh, research or evidence based look at using movement and exercise for the treatment of low back pain and a lot of the other biopsychosocial factors that enter into chronic low back pain conditions. You’ll learn about red flags to help you rule in or out certain conditions that might warrant a referral over to a physician or a physical therapist, which can be incredibly valuable for folks like movement or Pilates teachers or massage therapists.
So I think it’s a really valuable course that gives you just enough clinical perspective to help your clients, even if you’re not a clinician. And if you are a clinician, just like a really wide lens of treatment options from the current literature, not only is Ben’s course really based in the evidence.
It also is great for teaching you how to read research studies, how to interpret what you’re reading and apply it to your movement practice, your practice as a coach or as a clinician. So we do have a deadline approaching on August 11th. So if you’re interested in signing up for Ben’s course in September, definitely sign up before that date to save a little bit of money.
It also helps. Ben and I know kind of where we’re at in terms of numbers because he is traveling here from the UK. So please sign up as soon as possible if you’re interested in attending. We’ve also just opened up five seats at a discounted price for current physical therapy students. and new grads from physical therapy.
So if you’re, uh, in PT school, if you’re in your first two years of practice in physical therapy after graduation, you can save a lot of money. There’s five spots available and those are first come, first serve. So if you want to sign up like that, um, you can do that just through the regular registration process.
There’s a student discount code for that that is on the events page. So go to practicehuman. com slash events and just scroll down to Ben Cormack’s course. And I hope to see you there. I’m really excited to have this as an educational opportunity here at Practice Human. I love having this space serve as a hub for education that really moves us forward with the most current evidence and active movement based strategies.
Okay, so now on to my interview with Giulia Pline.
I’m really excited today to be chatting with Giulia Pline. Giulia’s path has evolved from a career as a professional dancer to an educator of movement and now a doctoral student of physical therapy. Her experiences and several injuries pushed her to pursue extensive studies in anatomy, Physiology, kinesiology, and biomechanics, and the years she spent healing and recovering from injury have provided her with invaluable tools and a unique skill set that informs how she treats and cares for others in their own physical rehab path.
Giulia’s mission is to provide empathetic, intelligent, thoughtful, and thoughtful care. thorough movement education and treatment through a science backed integrative and multidisciplinary approach. Her offerings are geared toward helping students and clients unravel the web of the body in an anatomically holistic way, creating space for discernment, discovery, learning, and healing.
And I think I have to say Giulia, those last four words of your bio, discernment, discovery, learning, and healing really, for me, sum up what I’ve seen of your work since you’ve been treating here at Practice Human, um, in my space. It’s really awesome.
Giulia: Oh, thank you so much, Caitlin. I’m so excited to be chatting with you today.
I have so much, uh, respect and appreciation for you. Um, and yeah, just for us to have this chat is, It’s really wonderful. So thank you for having
Caitlin: me. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Um, it’s been, I have to say too, it’s been really great getting to know you by seeing you more in person when you’ve been here.
And also we had a few like little meetups here and there in person after, I think a long time. I knew you more through social media, like a lot of us, but, um, but it’s been so great to connect and see each other a lot in person, Especially now as you’re starting your PT program at Hunter, which is my alma mater.
And so we’ll get into that. We’re going to talk a lot about PT school and kind of steps to even just beginning to think about a decision of transitioning into physical therapy coming from a movement and yoga type background. And I know a lot of people, it’s pretty common, um, for people in a dance background as well to at some point make their way into physical therapy.
So maybe we can talk about that a little bit. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um. Why don’t we start with you sharing some about that transition from dance to teaching yoga and other forms of movement modalities you work with and then now you just started or you’re just in first semester summer term at Hunter for PT school.
Giulia: Yeah, absolutely. Um, yeah. So my original career path was as a professional dancer and I found yoga in 2009 when I was a sophomore in college in Boston at the Boston conservatory for dance. And, What I really loved about yoga was the community aspect of it, and how it took me out of the very intense world that I was in, in school.
And so, I loved it so much, I ended up doing my yoga certification my senior year before I graduated. And I moved to New York City to pursue my dance career, um, and started, uh, working at Pure Yoga when it was still open. I’m still around and taking yoga classes all over. And then about three months after I moved to the city, I fractured my fibula.
So for people who don’t know fibula, they call it the calf bone. So it’s the slender bone in the outside of the leg. And that totally derailed me. And at the time when I moved here, I was still on my parents insurance in Massachusetts. So I had to move back home to Massachusetts. Oh wow. Wow. for care.
And that was very hard for me. And they put me in a cast for a couple of months. And by the time I got out, I had a non-union fracture. So the two ends of the bone that broke didn’t fuse like the area of the fibula, they call it like a non weight bearing bone. So there was no circulation. I wasn’t bearing weight because I was in the cast and it just didn’t heal.
So that led into, um, surgery with hardware and by the time all of this had happened and I was recovering from that, I was so deconditioned from my, um, dance, you know, my dance, uh, physicality,
Caitlin: um,
Giulia: And also, Mentally too, I was just so separated from that world during the healing time that I decided to just start jumping, jumping into teaching yoga.
And, um, I took some more training, like the yoga therapy side of things in an effort to figure out how I could heal myself. really physically at that point, but more like emotionally and I’ll say even spiritually. And then through that I got more invested in wanting to teach classes and privates and just curious about using yoga and making it accessible for people who have injuries or are coming back from being out for a while and have had a severe injury.
Okay. So. That, the whole process was really intense, leaving like this identity behind. I identified as a dancer for my, basically my entire life, um, and made this switch. And, fast forward a little bit more, around 2016, um, I discovered, Three’s Physiogel Method, uh, which was spearheaded by Diana Zotos and Emily Tomlinson, two physical therapists who were also yoga certified and used to work for HSS, um, Hospital for Special Surgery here in New York.
And that really started to change my, my life, honestly, and my teaching. So their program was bridging the gap between physical therapy and yoga. Now, um, we knew, like you mentioned in the beginning, you know, a lot of dancers get into PT. I think it’s because we’ve had so much physical therapy for so many injuries.
So a lot of the process of healing from the fibula fracture and going through PT, I was already getting curious of how I could implement what I was learning movement wise and anatomy wise really. Um, in physical therapy how I was teaching yoga. So the three’s training really brought that together for me and really started to push me more in this direction of wanting more knowledge about the body, medical knowledge, and how I can incorporate that with what I know about movement.
So in 2017, I had another major pivot point, um, where I had a pretty severe skiing accident, which I’ve posted a lot about and, and shared a lot on, on social media, but I had clavicle fracture, upper arm fracture, and six ribs that were fractured, plus lung puncture and liver damage, and that really was like, Whoa.
So since that point, I really will say that’s the point that I wanted to go more in this PT track. And I think it really has ultimately led me to where I am now, which is in my first semester of physical therapy school. And yeah, it just completely changed, uh, the way that I, I operate. And I think about the body and movement and accessibility in terms of movement and, and yoga and exercise.
And we can get into that more, but
Caitlin: totally,
Giulia: yeah, that’s
Caitlin: A lot. I just want to backtrack to one of the things you said about yoga. When you first started moving into that area, how did you kind of bring up the benefits of yoga besides the physical aspects, right? I mean, I think like physical, emotional, spiritual, mental, it’s kind of all one in the same.
But I think that’s something that gets. Overlooked a lot or maybe not talked about enough for just purely the benefits of yoga, big word yoga and all the other facets that come with yoga, but also how important those aspects are. are to physical healing or like embodiment and understanding our bodies or like being a little bit more attuned to what’s going on with our own bodies so we can have better discrimination, like the word from your bio, like making more educated choices for ourselves.
I think a lot of that comes from the kind of intuitive listening that you learn in a yoga practice because it touches on all those other layers. And I see that in, in the work that you do. It’s so great.
Giulia: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And it was really a place that I could go inside and harness inter more interoception, like really getting in touch with what I exactly feel, you know, and working with that through breath and through movement.
And it was just such a safe space for me to explore. And I feel very fortunate to have had some incredible teachers like my, my, one of my first teachers, Amy Wren in Boston. She really helped me to feel this way and continue to feel this way about the practice. It’s like coming home of sorts, um, safe space.
Yeah.
Caitlin: That’s so cool. And I think it can really help with, uh, Advocacy within, um, the medical system as well. Right. So kind of like, be like, no, I know my body, I know myself. Right. it’s so
Giulia: huge. Uh, yeah. I mean, I’ve had this conversation all the time with clients who are like, I went to the doctor and they told me, Oh, just massage it and you’ll be fine.
And you’re really like, no, actually I think I need to get another scan. Cause I think something is really wrong. And then they end up getting the imaging and. And actually it’s a good thing that they got the imaging because something really was, uh, wrong that went beyond what the doctor could see on the outside.
So yeah, very interesting.
Caitlin: Yeah. I want to go into one other thing about your transition here, but then we’ll come back to it. I would love to hear a little bit more about your experience working with physical therapists after your injury, your skiing injury. Um, and then we, I know we’ll, we’ll talk a little bit more about different things.
PT settings that like a lot of people might not be aware of that are out there. But before we get to that, just to kind of stay in, in, uh, on the linear path here, um, what, what did you experience? I mean, I know I had a lot of feelings along the way, but what did you experience in terms of kind of reaching a ceiling and what you were qualified to offer your students or your clients with your skills from the yoga perspective.
And how are you feeling now in this transition as you just started into the curriculum for Dr. Physical Therapy?
Giulia: Yeah, such a great question. I think that a lot of teachers might relate to what I’m about to say, but when I began teaching, and still to this day, I often have students come up after class or before class that say they’ve had an injury, or, you know, it could be something that’s maybe a little bit more acute, but it’s not so acute that they can’t be in class.
or something in the past and they want to notify me about it and they’re asking for modifications or like what they should avoid, um, or what they should do instead. And for a long time I was always very worried to have someone come up and ask me that because I’m not a medical doctor and I didn’t exactly know when I started teaching yoga, especially uh, what that injury was.
was or how exactly I could modify it. So from all the trainings and my personal experience, and then leading up to like this point now, it’s so important, I think for yoga teachers to be able to have some of this medical knowledge and knowledge of the anatomy so that if someone comes to them and says, you know, like I have a rotator cuff injury, you know, I know what the rotator cuff muscles are.
I know what they do. I know that, You know, weight bearing on the arm and the upper limb is very excessive in a yoga practice. And what are some things I could do to help them modify their range of motion or how much load they’re putting into that upper limb so that they can do the practice, but not exacerbate something.
So that’s been a big deal for me and what’s really pushed me in the past before this step in PT school to seek out training that included more of the modifications, more anatomy knowledge, um, so that I could better help my students. And the props also have been a big deal for me, working with the students.
things outside of blocks and blankets and bolsters that you would see in a regular yoga studio. I do a lot of work with resistance bands. Um, so exploring that and bringing that from my physical therapy sessions into a yoga practice to facilitate greater healing and connection for students, as well as adding some stability and strength to how they’re moving through their practice.
Caitlin: Yeah, that’s great. It’s funny. The thought that came to mind when you were describing students Telling us about what’s going on with them and their bodies and injuries and things like that. I don’t know if you experienced this, but I definitely did among my teacher colleagues and in teacher training spaces for a while There was this whole discourse about at first it was like at the start of class You should always ask who has injuries or anything that I should know and then we started to be like well But then they tell us And what are we expected to actually do with that information?
Exactly. Maybe we shouldn’t be asking that at all. And I feel like the pendulum has just swung back and forth a bit. Oh my gosh. And for a while I was like, no, it’s not appropriate. It’s not in our scope. Like we shouldn’t even ask. And then I swung totally, when I got closer to PT school, I came back to kind of where it sounds like you are now, which is like, No, there’s a lot.
We know a lot. And you’ll get teachers to know and understand a lot. And there’s a lot we can do in terms of like you’re describing regressions or modifications of things like just create a scenario where there’s just a little bit less load, a little less force, a little bit less range of motion, you know, things like that go a long way.
And I think that’s huge for teachers to be adaptable enough that they can give people options in the classroom. Absolutely. Yeah.
Giulia: Yeah. And I think also just having experience teaching different types of people. So like when I started teaching, I was at a studio, Uptown Pure Yoga, and there were certain clientele that would come there and I would get comfortable teaching them or offering them modifications.
And then when I started teaching at other studios, Midtown and Downtown, the populations were different. I taught some classes where there was a little bit more of a population of like 50 and older. Uh, you know, not, not like 20 and 30 year olds, so there’s very different needs and I would see a lot of different things and then that experience just helped me to better assist the students.
Caitlin: Yeah, and then they feel just more seen and cared for, I think, and you know, like they have a place to explore even more, like they’re better permission even to like, Two things, a different way to take care of themselves. I think that’s so key. Yeah.
Giulia: Yeah. And, like now in PT school, it’s interesting because we finished the upper limb.
We talked about all these nerve structures and, um, you know, injuries that can happen in the upper limb. And it’s really interesting coming into teaching now with more of this knowledge and someone coming to me and saying, Oh, I’ve got, you know, a biceps issue. And then all of a sudden I’m not thinking now, just.
It’s the arm muscle, but I’m thinking about all the nerves and the arteries and things that pass there and what that might entail. So I feel my brain twisting and turning with all of this extra knowledge that’s starting to come in. Yeah. And it’s, it’s, it’s. It’s really fascinating. I can’t wait to see where it’s going to take me.
Caitlin: Yeah. Well, and that’s so exciting that you, you’re applying it all in real time as you move along. And I did that too. I was still working with private yoga clients, not, not even, I don’t even consider it really yoga. At that point when I was teaching, I was working with private clients, um, while I was teaching Starting in PT school and the whole way through and to be able to apply it with actual people who are moving and, you know, hearing their history and hearing their symptoms and gathering all of those pieces of the, of the picture altogether, like while you’re in school is so valuable.
Giulia: Yeah, it really is. Yeah. And just having the privilege to continue to work with people during this time, too, and really explore these new skills that I’m building. Yeah.
Caitlin: So exciting! Yay! Let’s talk about the path to PT school. And I wanted to include this in our conversation. Um, just for the listeners, Giulia and I had a side talk a few days ago about what we wanted to cover in this interview.
And I was sharing with Giulia that I got it. Ask questions all the time from people who are yoga teachers or yoga teachers in transition who aren’t sure that they want to keep teaching yoga for the long haul and are exploring potentially going down the path to PT school. I’ve had many sit downs and coffees with yoga teachers here in New York over the years who some of them actually ended up with, uh, our mutual friend ended up at Hunter and, and I’m sure Giulia, you must be getting a lot of questions now too.
So I thought we would use this little section of our chat. Just to provide some information for people who might be interested in heading toward PT school.
Giulia: Yeah, yeah. And this is something that I equivocate about for a while, uh, just going back and forth as I was building out my knowledge through personal injury and experience.
And also like seeking out other training outside of yoga and how I would incorporate them back into yoga. I thought maybe I don’t need to go back to school. I can just continue to take training and you know, Google search things and keep teaching and learn from my experience. But at a certain point it kind of hit a ceiling where I felt like I couldn’t go back to our previous conversation about, um, helping people who come to you in class and ask about modifications for injuries.
I felt like I got to a certain point where I wanted to do more, uh, and help people out. More. So the prerequisite process for me was quite intense because I came from a dance background. So I graduated from school also in 2012. And in school for dance, we have no, no math and no science. I actually had a fair amount of psychology.
Which I loved and a fair amount of, uh, anatomy and kinesiology, but those were under the umbrella of liberal arts. So they wouldn’t accept that for me as a prerequisite. So for Hunter, there’s about 11 different classes you have to take. And some schools will require you to take 13 classes. They add. Uh, two semesters of biology, but for Hunter’s program in New York City, it’s not required.
So it was pretty extensive. I had to take math again, which I haven’t done since I was in high school. And I
Caitlin: I kind of have a lot of PTSD around math. Same, same. I like to learn math from what I realized was a 5th to 6th grade level when I was like 35. Shout
Giulia: out to Khan Academy because Khan Academy got me through, um, looking up online.
And so it was math, statistics, two semesters of chemistry and two semesters of physics. So those were harder for me because I’m coming from a different place, I felt like I was coming from a different brain. And then I absolutely loved the psychology classes. And I had two semesters of that and a semester of English, which is like, Oh my gosh, they have to make you take English composition.
Oh, that’s right. English comp.
Caitlin: I think I had to take that too. Because it was so specific. So like I was a theater major, a BA, not a BFA. So BA. So it was much broader liberal education, like liberal arts education. And, and I was like, really? I have to take an English class? Oh my God. I know. I forgot about that.
I did. Yeah.
Giulia: Yeah. So it’s so wild. So I actually started the whole prerequisite journey with English in psych. Because I was like, let me do something that I feel more comfortable with. That’s a good choice. So on top of all those prereqs, I don’t think, I don’t think I missed any of the two semesters of anatomy, of course.
Right. Yeah. Anatomy and physiology, which was a
Caitlin: lot of physiology, like a lot, a lot of
Giulia: physiology.
Caitlin: Um,
Giulia: yeah, very chemical, like you need your chemistry. So, um, yeah, so that was also quite an experience being, so I’m 34 right now. Um, in 2024. And, uh, when I started, I was 32 and being back in school with students who are like 19, 20, even younger than that was definitely, I felt, I felt like, wow, okay, there’s a big gap between us.
And it was a little intimidating for me to, to feel like, oh gosh, did I start this journey too late? And I’ll say, It’s ever too late. Like me, I think about my dad because he went back to school for law at age 55. So he was my inspiration to keep going. That’s great. Yeah. So on top of all those classes, um, they also make you take the GRE, which is a terrible test.
Caitlin: That’s a fun little thing.
Giulia: Uh, that is four hours long. So it’s just a lot of studying and vocabulary words and things and um, oh my goodness. But some of the best parts of the prerequisite journey for me were uh, the volunteer hours they had to complete. Yeah. I had to complete a hundred hours in both inpatient, well they recommend that you complete some hours in an inpatient setting, like in a hospital, um, and in a, in an outpatient setting.
So outpatient would be like if you had a muscle strain or, you know, another injury where you can still function, but you, um, are able to transport yourself to the office and back home to get therapy and then inpatient is for people who have had an injury that requires them to be hospitalized and they have physical therapy in the hospital.
So I was lucky enough to get a volunteering opportunity at Bellevue Hospital here in New York. Oh, nice. And I was in their inpatient setting, which was all neuro. So it was people recovering from stroke, traumatic brain injuries. And that really started to open up my lens, and maybe this is where we’re heading, um, talking about the difference, the vastness of being a physical therapist and what, what that could entail job wise.
It opened up my eyes for what physical therapy can do for people, because I always thought, Oh, personally, like I had injuries from dance and from skiing and from being active and like I need physical therapy to get back to being active and athletic, but PT is so much more than just treating that population.
It’s literally for everyone. So like the physical therapist teaching these people who had a stroke, learn to walk again, learn to sit up from bed again. Uh, and that, that was really incredible.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s so eye opening to you. I mean, it must have been wild for you to be in the TBI unit at Bellevue.
Yeah. Because your first experience, not your first experience, because we’ll get to that. I would love to hear about your own personal experience being hospitalized and recovering from injury with PTs there. But like, wow, I mean, we did, I was in Bellevue just a little bit for a couple of observation experiences while I was in school.
And the TBI unit in Bellevue is a fascinating place. So
Giulia: fascinating. And these physical therapists are truly incredible and just seem to do with patients, yeah. Um, but getting back to all the pre-reqs, it’s extensive, especially if you’re coming from a dance background or if you’ve been out of school for a while, because if you’ve been out, I think, more than 10 years, they don’t count.
Some of those credits kind of depend on your situation, but for me, at least it didn’t count. And yeah, I think it’s incredible the classes that they require you to take before you apply. Um, and the fact that they have two semesters of psychology, because this is just speaking to how physical therapy is, you know, we’re, we’re working mainly with them.
exercise and movement, but you’re dealing with the whole person in front of you from there, their psyche that is not separate from their physical body. The two go hand in hand. And obviously as a physical therapist who stands our own lanes as you know, exercise and movement specialists, but we’re not psychotherapists, but the fact that they are introducing you to that and showing you how this is so much more than just movement was really amazing.
And
Caitlin: yeah,
Giulia: yeah. So it was a long haul. Um, almost two years of doing that before I could apply, but very much worth it. And it went by fast in retrospect.
Caitlin: It went by so fast, right? Yeah. Same. I mean, one of the things that spurred me to just dive in and do it and enroll in courses for the prereqs was I was kind of dragging my feet thinking about it for about five years.
Wow. And then I got to year five and I was like, wait a minute. If I would have just started when I first thought about it, I’d be a PT now. Totally. And I was like, I don’t want another five years to go by and be like, Oh, I could have done it all over again in that time. Cause I took two years, not even part time, like a pretty full schedule of pre-reqs for two years.
It was like half my undergrad. Oh yeah, me too. And then the three years of the DPT, so it was about five years total.
Giulia: Totally. Yeah. I remember like in fall of 2022, I was taking three classes, like chemistry, physics and statistics at the same time. Um, so it was, it was intense. It was like being back in undergrad again, to some extent.
Yeah.
Caitlin: Um, and I wanted to mention too, just because I think this is helpful information for anybody considering a DPT degree. Um, it’s a, so it’s a three year clinical doctorate program. And this changed, I think, more than 10 years ago, I believe, like 10 or 12 years ago, it kind of started just to trickle across the U.
S., where rather than having a two years master’s degree, It became a three year clinical doctorate. And to my understanding, I don’t know, Giulia, if you know more from being in school more recently than me or if it’s talked about at all so far, but my understanding was that part of the, the reason for that was that states were starting to allow direct access, which means you can go and see a physical therapist without a referral from a doctor so that physical therapists then are trained in a little bit more, uh, in more medical type management.
and identifying and ruling out red, red flags that might warrant a referral over to an MD, to a doctor. Yes. Um, if there’s something that feels like it might warrant some further investigation. Um, so it’s, there’s a little bit more medical side of it now.
Giulia: Yeah. I remember before the switch happened, uh, cause I’ve, I’ve been in PT basically my whole life, um, with, with dance injuries.
Um, being in high school and, uh, having to go through so many hoops to get just a prescription for physical therapy. And you have to prove it to your primary care. You have to prove it to the doc, the medical doctor, the orthopedic specialist that you’re really in pain and you need PT. So it’s kind of amazing that you can go there now taking the middle, middle person out without a referral.
And you, you, you, you know that you can trust your therapist to offer you Complete care and also no one to refer out if you need imaging or something else. And I also think like, you know, you said it as like a clinical program. That’s such a big difference in the masters. I think it was just one 15 week rotation.
I believe now, like being in the doctorate program, it’s three clinical rotations. So almost triple the amount of clinical experience, which puts you in a lot of different places, um, from outpatient to inpatient, from. Uh, neuro rehab to, you know, more of the athletic rehab. So that is pretty amazing. And then the other thing, uh, I was, we were actually just talking about it the other day in, in class of having a pharmacology class.
And we’re gonna have someone who’s a radiologist come in and show us how to interpret. Uh, x rays and M. R. I. s and CAT scans,
Caitlin: be able
Giulia: to have that background so that you can better help bridge that gap between the person’s medical needs and diseases and issues, and also how that will play a role in their state of being and how they’ll exercise.
And I see you do this all the time when I’m, you know, at your clinic, asking someone about how they’re feeling and that’s because of the medication that they’re taking. Maybe they come in dizzy that day. Um, and so then you’re able to say, okay, well, I know that that medication makes you feel this way.
And so today we’re not going to exert as much. We’re able to modify the exercise plan. So that’s, it’s just such an important piece. Yeah,
Caitlin: Yeah, I agree. If you’re comfortable sharing, Giulia, I think that leads us nicely to talk about all these settings that are available within the PT profession that some people might not be aware of.
Would you mind sharing a bit about your time after your ski accident? How many days were you in the hospital? What was your experience like with inpatient PT there? So, kind of looking at it more from the side of a more traumatic type of accident that kept you in the hospital?
Giulia: Yeah. So I was in the hospital for almost two weeks and the first couple of days I was basically sedated.
So I had two major surgeries to put hardware in my arm and a couple of my ribs and my collarbone, uh, to fixate things. And then the second surgery they had to go in and repair my lung. So, There were a lot of different things going on, but I did have, it was kind of amazing the care that I got in the hospital.
They actually had an osteopath come in and do just like some craniosacral work on me. Which was very, it almost felt like nothing was happening, but There was comfort with the touch and, and the doctor that was there performing the osteopathy and craniosacral therapy. And then I had PT, and the PT was really basic.
So it was, you know, getting up out of the bed, making sure I was pumping my legs, um, because I was, Laying flat and you know, one of the things that they give you in the hospital is a compression sleeve on your calves to make sure that you don’t start developing blood clots from the inactivity and all of the swelling from all of the medication and your injuries.
And even though the injuries are in my upper body, right? So. affected.
Caitlin: So
Giulia: it was a lot of like, let’s be able to sit up at the edge of the bed. Let’s be able to stand up. We’re going to go to the bathroom. And I remember them taking me for a walk around the floor and like just being able to walk around the floor of that section that I was in, in the hospital was so taxing.
And I had Like it was holding the IV pole and so the PT was very basic but the therapists who were there were game changers. They started to make me feel like okay we’re turning the corner now you’re getting better every day is a step forward and that was amazing and they let me do a few really basic things where I could like dangle my arm and swing it around like a pendulum so there was not You know, they couldn’t do anything more than that because the injuries were so severe that they had to be stabilized.
But, it was more of the, the care I felt I was getting, and the encouragement
Caitlin: that,
Giulia: you’ll get through this, you’re gonna get better. Every day you’re gonna walk a little bit more, you’re gonna breathe a little bit more. We had a lot of breath training too, so I have this, uh, Inspirometer, you know, take, take a big deep breath in and you try to pull this little ball up into a tube to the top.
So yeah, it was a lot like respiratory training because I had the lung and the rib injuries. And then outside of the hospital, that PT experience actually was another thing that started making me more curious about the PT world. And I had so many different types of physical therapy. And the first PT that I got when I got out of the hospital was in an outpatient setting, but in the hospital.
So no longer am I a patient at the hospital, but I’m able to go home and then go back to the hospital to get care and then go home again. So PT actually was not very good for me. It wasn’t a good experience. And The reason why is because there’s so many things that bind you with the insurance and the amount of patients, the volume that they get in the hospital.
So I had 30 minutes with one therapist and during that time she had to take a lot of notes and track what’s happening with my shoulder and my overall health. And that note taking eats up about 10 to sometimes 15 minutes of your session, just checking in.
Caitlin: And then by
Giulia: the time we’re able to do any exercises, there’s really not a lot of time left, and then they kick you out.
So, I really struggled with that, and it felt like I needed more, I needed more one on one attention. And the therapists were amazing in the hospital, but they have so many rules that they have to follow. So it’s very different than when you go, for example, to see someone like you, Caitlin, who you have your own place and you see patients for almost an hour.
And you know, you have enough time to talk to them, to get their status that day, mentally and physically, and then to move them through, you know, their treatment and exercise program. So. Where I really started to turn the corner in that whole healing process was going to private PT and Seeking out people who offered these one hour sessions.
That is more of an investment So I paid a lot out of pocket so I didn’t have to go through all the hoops with the insurance however, it’s invaluable and that Progressed me so much more in, in one month time of doing private one hour sessions. Mm-Hmm. than the three months that I had at the hospital. So I, it just depends on the severity of injury and also the amount of function that you wanna get back.
Um, and it also just requires that you, you’re able to advocate for yourself. So, yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s sad that if you don’t, like, I have the privilege to have been able to do that. Yeah. But. If you don’t have that privilege, sometimes you can, you know, maybe not get back to where you really wanted to be or where you could be.
Caitlin: And I mean, something we talk about too, and this isn’t the case for everyone, it really depends on their insurance plan, but, um, something that like me and colleagues who run cash based practices talk about is how if somebody has the kind of plan where they’re paying maybe a 30 copay up to even 60 or 75 copay per visit.
And a high volume clinic has you coming twice a week for 10 or 12 weeks, and you don’t really feel like you’re getting anywhere. You might end up spending more time and money. Yeah. If you’re paying anywhere from like 175, 200, even 220 a visit. And within about five or six visits of really focused work with somebody who’s available to you for questions in between sessions and gives you a really clear plan of action in what you’re doing in your home exercises or just general life activity stuff, you know.
Sometimes it can, you can actually come out ahead in terms of the time that you save and maybe even the money that you save. It’s like, It’s a real conundrum with, I mean, insurance, we could talk forever about insurance in the United States. And it’s just such a headache, but I mean, it is a big piece of the picture here.
Giulia: Yeah, a hundred percent agree. And, um, it’s such a worthy investment to go and, and have time. With someone who’s really with you and it’s funny. I mean, one of my professors in school right now is kind of lamenting about that, about her own practice, because she has to abide by certain protocols with the insurance and she feels limited in some ways and what she is able to do because of that.
So. Again, it’s not, um, talking down to that PT setting in any way, but it’s just very different and depends on what you want, what you need and, um, what you’re willing to explore. Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah. And I do feel like I should say there are a lot of people who get great results in higher volume outpatient clinics.
They’re amazing clinicians doing very, very hard and meaningful work in those places. It’s just that everybody is trapped under a business model. That is driven by commercial insurance in the United States, and it’s just a bummer. It is. It totally is. It’s not good for anybody.
Giulia: Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah.
Giulia: Yeah. And I think maybe we talk about this a little bit, but, uh, one thing that just came up as I was talking about this experience was how I had such a, a combination of, of therapy.
So I had a lot of manual therapy, which is a hot topic on the internet now, useful or worthwhile or not, uh, with movement therapy. So with doing the exercises and for me, I really gained, uh, the most amount of benefit. From the combination of both
Caitlin: and
Giulia: I could chalk that up to a lot of different things, you know, psychologically to be touched by someone I felt safe being touched by is definitely played a part in my healing and how I was reconnecting with my body.
Um, but I also think that, you know, there is something to being in an area that’s very vulnerable and starting to bring back, like, Oh, it’s okay, I can touch this place and these muscles can move and I can unstick here a bit, kind of like we were doing self massage work. So having that experience where I wasn’t, or I was striving not to judge what the therapist giving me, you know, their, their best judgment about what I needed and just be open to whatever was being offered so that I could, again, discern for myself, do I need more of that or do I need more of something else?
So that was, it was really enlightening.
Caitlin: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And yes, manual therapy is valuable for a lot of things. I think like a lot of the discourse right now is. Yes. People have good outcomes. Maybe it doesn’t outperform other things, but it’s just as good in terms of outcomes. And, and, and then the question is, what is, what’s the mechanism by which you see improvement, right?
And maybe that’s not quite as mechanical as we would think, like the things you mentioned, like touch or just feeling. Feeling forces through a part of the body that feels vulnerable in a way that feels safe, you know, all of that, all of that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Giulia: Yeah, every day I open Instagram, I see something else about manual therapy sucks.
It’s like, wait a second. No. So that’s, that’s really an overarching thing that this, the whole process of all these injuries I’ve had and recovering from them has given me, which I feel very fortunate to For is this an open mind to all of this? So yes, of course, there’s concrete science, but science changes too.
Um, and so reading and doing your research and taking the science of what we do know right now and applying that and using your judgment, but then also knowing that, like everyone is different and everybody and every brain is different. So yeah, not letting it limit me in any way as I move forward now into a physical therapy career.
Caitlin: Yeah, anything can be the thing that makes a really potent change for someone, right? It’s like, I, I, one thing I’ve been thinking about a lot lately is like, all, like the more we explore the complexity of Physical sensation and embodiment and like differences between people and all the other systems that had a lot more complex, right?
All the others like, um, health of, of your whole system and all your systems of the body that adds so much complexity, not even to mention like social environments and physical environments and all of relationships, those things. It’s like the more complexity there is, the more potential options there are for helping someone.
Absolutely. Like, like anything could work, you know? That’s kind of the way I think about it. Anything could work. And we find the right thing for the person at that time, you know?
Giulia: Totally. Yeah.
Caitlin: Yeah. That’s where I’m at.
Giulia: Oh, yeah.
Caitlin: Um, Let’s talk a little bit more about some of these PT settings that people might not be so aware of.
You mentioned, uh, we’ve talked about inpatient rehab a little bit and you mentioned neuro rehab and I’d love to hear more about you. You had mentioned offline before we started your experience with your dad after he’d had a traumatic brain injury. Yeah. Maybe we could start there and just what you learned about that in terms of a different kind of use of physical therapy.
Giulia: Yeah, uh, so he fell and hit his head and he had a brain bleed that went undetected for a couple of months and then luckily they caught it in time that they could do brain surgery and take the bleed out and his whole process like again back in the hospital setting, the PTs were coming in and just getting him to sit up at the edge of the bed or just get him to stand up and then when he was well enough to be discharged, he didn’t go home, but he went to another Inpatient facility, like a step down.
Uh, so this amazing place near Cape Cod in Massachusetts is called Spalding. And they’re big with neuro rehab. And I wasn’t able to visit him, but my mom was able to drive there and back a couple of times a week. And the things that they were doing with him were. So cool. Um, so they had him in between like parallel bars so he could support himself with his upper body and learn how to walk again.
So he had foot drop, which is basically for those listening that are not sure what foot drop is. There’s weakness in the muscles at the front and the side and even the back of the lower leg and The foot has like this slap or clop down on the floor when you try to pick it up and step So they were retraining him how to walk and to not Slap his foot or drag his foot and they had all of these really unique tools to help facilitate that There is also this anti gravity chamber that they had at Bellevue too, that I saw a lot of the patients get put in where they harness you in it and they pick you up so that you’re suspended practically in the air over a treadmill and you’re able to run the treadmill at a really slow pace.
And have the patient start walking again without all the load of body weight and gravity. So seeing the therapists do things that I wasn’t really used to seeing. Like I always thought PT is, you know, pulling a band or like moving the ankle a certain way or like getting on the BOSU ball or doing some strength exercises because that’s what I experience.
But seeing him, like his PT sessions were walking with the parallel bars. You know, throwing like a hacky sack into a hole, like that was set up, you know, like we play these games, the cornhole, you know, tossing a ball back and forth to the therapist or to a wall, throwing baskets, like basket ball into a hoop, you know, and that was his therapy.
Like getting him. The coordination again, um, the confidence and stability back on his feet, like the visual acuity and, and spatial orientation, it was just really, again, mind, mind opening and mind blowing. And. It’s fun. Like my dad was never really an active person. Um, he loved sailing and he walked occasionally, but he never really did sports or was athletic.
He’s extremely academic. So to see him playing games and doing active things was just incredible for his mood in addition to all of these other things I mentioned. That’s
Caitlin: awesome.
Giulia: Yeah,
Caitlin: I almost went into neuro rehab. I mean, I was just so, so taken by it when I was in school. I loved it. I love my rotation.
Um, the hospital that I was at for, uh, inpatient, it was mostly patients who’d had strokes that I was working with, and working with stroke recovery is amazing because people. Well, like making big leaps in their recovery very quickly sometimes. It’s so rewarding for everybody to, to see someone who, you know, couldn’t sit up unsupported one day can the next day, or they can’t go from sitting to standing and assisted the next day, or eventually they’re walking assisted.
And then there are various assisted parts of that walking that start to peel away over time. And it’s just, It’s, it’s, it’s so exciting to see and it’s just so amazing. I would just marvel at the adaptability of our systems, you know, seeing, seeing something like that and working with people in that capacity.
It’s incredible.
Giulia: Yeah, it really is. And seeing them really find themselves again and find joy and being able to like take steps without as much assistance as they move through the process. And like, it’s like reclaiming your independence.
Caitlin: Yeah. Some of the people I worked with were so determined, you know, like a person with that kind of determination.
It’s like, yeah, it’s really awesome. Um, and yeah, I was, I was very close to being like, all right, that’s it. That’s where it was just the inpatient hospital part that I was like, ah, I don’t think I can do it.
Giulia: Yeah. It’s very intense. Yeah. Yeah, I mean even being, um, of course when my dad was in the hospital, it was very emotional for me.
But even going and doing hours at Bellevue for my volunteer hours, I remember the first week that I was there, I would leave pretty much every day and cry. Because it’s, it can be so intense and so overwhelming because you see these people who are really at this acute, acute phase of their recovery process.
They’ve just had the stroke, sometimes the day before or two days before.
Caitlin: Right. Here they
Giulia: are like just trying to start speaking again or walking depending on what type of stroke they had. So yeah, it can be extremely intense.
Caitlin: Um, and I, I want to mention too, just for anybody considering listening to this, considering physical therapy, there are so many specialties that you can move through.
And with a PT degree, there’s so many things you can do, right? So like, like you could do one thing for a while, like pediatrics and then be like, Oh, I don’t think I want to work in a school in pediatrics anymore. I’m going to go into patient rehab and neuro rehab or go into an outpatient clinic or work in the ICU.
Um, some people, yeah, the cardiac unit. I mean, Big time. I did my acute rotation in November, December, 2020, and I was not on any COVID wards, but I met all the PTs who had all been in, in it, all of it, and I was working alongside. number of PTs. I mean, just kind of like in the office and we were doing notes and meeting them and talking to them.
I was working with a number of the PTs who were actively in the COVID units then. And, um, yeah, and they were doing all cardio pulmonary work and, and then specialize, continue to specialize. And cardio palms. So like, like there’s so many, so many areas and a lot of people that do go into acute care, like bedside PT work.
Most hospitals require everybody to do rotations around through different disciplines. So they stay sharp in all the disciplines, which is really cool.
Giulia: Yeah. Um, and yeah, and another thing I’ll say too, about witnessing my father’s rehab process. Now he has PT come to the house through their Medicare plan.
So, there’s this lovely man, I’ve met him when I visited home, uh, recently, who comes in like twice a week. And so he’ll do things with my dad in the house, like sit to stand in the chair. I’ll have him pull some resistance bands, and then they take walks with a cane. Usually my father’s been walking with a walker, so he even took him outside to walk around the block.
So, You know, you can, you can be a PT who’s in a home situation, do house visits. Yeah. And it’s, it’s amazing. The opportunity that you have to work with people and to help people.
Caitlin: Yeah, well, a lot of people here in New York do home care, and it’s pretty nice because a lot of you can get around so quickly.
It’s like, you know, so condensed, like the population here that I know a number of people who will take on some home PT work as a second job just to like pick up some extra money, like do that, like just partial days of the week offers a ton of flexibility and freedom in your schedule. And yeah, some people that’s totally their thing.
Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. Yeah. Good. So yes, uh, this is all to say that a lot of people think it’s about movement and exercise. It’s a lot more than that. Yeah. Curriculum. I mean, to me, fraction is about almost nothing about movement and exercise. Totally. Totally.
Giulia: I mean, right now in this first uh, accelerated summer semester.
It’s all anatomy. Like you’re learning all the nerves and innervations and muscles and whatnot. Um, you’re learning a lot of medical information. So, we’re talking about all the different injuries and fractures and conditions and uh, you know, we’re going to have a little bit of pulmonary anatomy next week.
And yeah, just looking ahead at all of the courses coming up, it’s yeah, so much more than just movement. So, yeah. Well, like
Caitlin: You were mentioning your experience at Bellevue and your own experience, uh, recovering from injury in the hospital, something that some things that are just kind of unexpected, I think, are like.
Bed mobility, which is rolling over in bed and going from lying in bed to sitting up, is one of the most challenging things for patients to do in an inpatient setting. So like, just you really start to see how like things you take for granted or things that, you know, you don’t, you don’t think of when you’re looking at it for more of a Jim type exercise science perspective or yoga asana in the yoga classroom kind of perspective That like some of the hardest things for people to do are roll over in bed and sit up from the bed You know things like that that are just like get to the toilet and often or be able to like brush your teeth you know if you You can’t stand unassisted while you’re using one hand to brush your teeth.
Yeah. It’s all of those
Giulia: things. And on top of that, they have all these IVs most often, you know, in their hands and their legs. Right. So you’re negotiating the tubes as well. Yeah. You know, not, not make, make sure you don’t rip anything out or step on anything. So it’s, it’s a lot, a lot of maneuvering. Yeah. I witnessed that when I was volunteering at Bellevue too.
Just the amount of. effort that the therapists have to do to do transfers. Oh, yeah. The person, you know, from the bed back to the wheelchair and back again.
Caitlin: Get all the lines ready and organized so they can all move with the person. Well, and we have, you’ll have this. We had such an amazing opportunity at Hunter through a partnership with NYU.
They have a special Sim Lab at Bellevue. Yeah, we did simulations before we went into our inpatient experiences. So we had, and this is actually my research project when I was at Hunter, we interviewed PT clinicians who played the role of the patients in the Sim Lab. So the patients are played by actual clinical instructors that Hunter has relationships with.
So they kind of know how to And they also know how to give really clear and useful feedback in terms of what we’re doing when we try to mobilize them. But it’s so cool because these rooms look just like real hospital rooms. And they even have like, you know, they have like a monitor where you’re like seeing the heart rate and rhythm and you’re like, have like fake lines that you have to Move and get recognized.
Get the person up and standing and back into the bed. Um, it was awesome. It was so great. Yeah, it’s pretty incredible. Yeah, you’ll have fun. It’s fun.
Giulia: Can’t wait.
Caitlin: People get nervous and scared, but they make it very fun. Very educational, comfortable, really. It’s really useful. It’s super fun. It’s
Giulia: So good.
Caitlin: Yeah. Well, I think we’re about to the end. Anything else you want to add about your experience so far at Hunter this summer, your semester?
Giulia: Yeah, it’s just really, really fascinating. I encourage anyone who’s thinking about going into PT to just start the process and see As you’re doing classes and getting more information, what that feels like for you.
My, again, everything we’ve talked about today and my own experiences have really opened my eyes to this world and how special physical therapists really are. And yeah, like also using PT as preventative medicine. So not just going to PT when you’ve had an injury or, you know, You’re in the hospital, but using it as a way to go and do a check in with a therapist to see what areas you might like to improve your strength on depending on your goals as a person through your daily activities or through more athletic endeavors through sports and what not.
And really utilizing the care and the knowledge that they can provide you to. become more efficient and helpful.
Caitlin: Thanks, Giulia. I end all of these interviews by asking about what kind of things you’re into besides your schoolwork, your teaching work, you know, like we get so, we get so focused and delve so deeply into these areas of study that I think we all need some kind of little outlet that has nothing to do with that.
So if there’s anything fun or a personal interest that you do just for you, or something to like, kind of Keep your mind clear while you’re in school. What would oh, yeah,
Giulia: Yeah, well, I love hiking. My partner and I are avid hikers. Um, he’s always hiked since he was a kid, but I was more of an ocean baby and girl.
Uh, so we started hiking together when we got together about eight years ago and we were on this mission. kind of developed over the past few years of conquering all of the high peaks in, uh, the New England area. Um, so there’s 48 high peaks in New Hampshire and 46 in the
Caitlin: Adirondacks. Wow.
Giulia: We’ve completed, uh, the 33 High Peaks and the Catskills.
Cool. Already, so that’s sort of like the thing that keeps me sane. It’s like the carrot dangling on the stick. When I’m done with this semester, we’re gonna go north, and go hiking. Nice. Yeah, and I just love, love being in nature, everything about it, even the mosquito bites.
Caitlin: Oh, I have so many mosquito bites before the July weekends, I don’t even know where they came from.
But yeah, so I’m like, you know, yeah, I’m like, Oh, well, and you too, you even do hiking in the snow, right? Oh yeah,
Giulia: that’s been a new obsession over the past few years too. So I have snowshoes now and they don’t make them like they used to make them. They don’t look like tennis rackets. They’re actually pretty modern and advanced.
It’s incredible. You really feel like you’re, you know, in a winter wonderland in a Disney movie or something. Um, and it’s actually a lot more work on your hip flexors than any other exercise.
Caitlin: You gotta break your foot up through the snow. Right. Yeah. I have to try it sometime. Yes. I think I’m really into snowshoeing.
We’ll take ya. Yeah. We gotta go somewhere where they get snow. Yeah. I need to go on, like, the beginner, beginner path. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You mean just through Central Park the first time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, that’s awesome. I love that you do that. That’ll, that’ll serve you so well on your breaks from school, too.
Yeah. Just completely kind of, uh.
Giulia: Clarity.
Caitlin: Yeah, just kind of, uh, decompressed. And, uh, get off the grid a
Giulia: A little bit. Absolutely.
Caitlin: Um, well let’s talk about how people can reach you. These links will be in the show notes, but I know you have an easy website and Instagram. It’s your name, giuliapline.com, and that’s G I U L I A, Giulia, P L I N E.
Um, and I’ll, I’ll link your website and your Instagram in the show notes. Everybody follow Giulia on Instagram. Really, really great information. And now that you’re in PT school, you’re posting all of these videos about what you’re learning with your skeleton.
Giulia: Oh, Yeah. I’m pretty active on Instagram and my website has all the other, uh, information.
I still teach some group classes here in New York, and I’ve got a lot of classes online through Three’s Physiyoga Method, um, as well as some training sessions. Online as well. So yeah, feel free to reach out and connect. Um, and we’ll keep the conversation going
Caitlin: Yeah, and I’m really honored to have you here. I love having you here at practice human Um, so Giulia’s seeing some of her one on one clients here in my studio space and I hope you will continue to do so all the way through school because it’s so great to see you and catch up about what you’re learning in school every time we meet.
Giulia: Oh, for as long as you’ll allow me. Your space is so wonderful. Everyone, you should go see Caitlin. Uh, just such a great energy, great vibe, amazing therapist. Um, so I’m very grateful to be able to be in space with you. So Thank
Caitlin: you. It’s awesome having you here. I learn a lot from you whenever you’re here and it’s so, so cool to see the kind of work that you’re doing with your clients.
Is there a particular way that people should reach out to you to inquire if they’re interested in working with you one on one here in New York or do you do one on one sessions online as well? Yeah. I do do zoom
Giulia: sessions as well as sessions in New York, um, at your clinic. So, uh, through my website on the contact page, you can reach out to me there or send me a message via Instagram.
And my email is also on my website. So you can reach me there. It’s just my name, giuliapline@gmail. com. Perfect.
Caitlin: Okay. Giulia is good talking with you.
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